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ABFRL Diversified 08 Feb 2024

Aditya Birla Fashion and Retail Limited — Q3 FY24

ABFRL reported Q3 FY24 consolidated revenue of INR 4,167 crore, up 16% YoY, driven by new businesses (ethnic, digital, sportswear) contributing ~20% of revenue.

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Revenue ₹4,167 Cr +16%
EBITDA ₹605 Cr
EBITDA Margin 14.5% +150bps
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Questions answered71%
Questions audited12
Evaded / deflected3
Numbers vs filingContradicted
Claim Ledger

Did management answer the analysts?

Every material analyst question, graded on whether management actually answered it — with the verbatim exchange and quantitative claims checked against filed numbers.

Answered High priority

What initiatives drove Pantaloons' sharp YoY margin expansion?

Asked by Garima Mishra, Kotak Mahindra Bank Limited

Management listed specific cost reduction and markdown optimization actions.

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Can you elaborate a little bit on a few initiatives that you've taken which have actually driven this sharp year-on-year margin expansion?
Sangeeta Pendurkar, Director and CEO of Pantaloons
We have put in a very large set of actions to double down in terms of reducing our costs... reducing operational costs... optimizing our markdowns... we pulled off some of our offers... we can sell full price.
Answered Medium priority

How large is Pantaloons online and is it being rationalized?

Asked by Garima Mishra, Kotak Mahindra Bank Limited

Provided percentage and confirmed rationalization actions.

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Just in case of Pantaloons, how large is online for you now? And is a similar thing being done for Pantaloons e-commerce sales as well?
Sangeeta Pendurkar, Director and CEO of Pantaloons
The online business is about 3%-4% of our total sales. Even there... we've rationalized some of those. As we go forward, we will continue to rationalize some of our stores which are not profitable...
Answered High priority

What is the future store addition strategy for Tasva?

Asked by Garima Mishra, Kotak Mahindra Bank Limited

Provided specific store count target and annual addition rate.

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Tasva business has scaled up pretty rapidly to 67 stores. How are you thinking about your future store addition strategy? Is 67 a number you are happy with, or do you think this number could be easily doubled, tripled in the next, let's say, two, three years?
Ashish Dikshit, Managing Director
For medium term, we had indicated a network of about 200-odd stores... over the next 3-4 years. We've got the first 67 stores... maybe 30-40 stores a year is what we see.
Evasive High priority

At what revenue run rate does TMRW break even and when?

Asked by Garima Mishra, Kotak Mahindra Bank Limited

Declined to provide a specific break-even run rate or timeline.

no number givendeferred timeframe
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You've mentioned that the portfolio as such has achieved an annualized revenue run rate of INR 600 crore. At what revenue run rate does the business break even, and by when do you seek to achieve that?
Ashish Dikshit, Managing Director
I think it's too early, Garima, honestly, for us to give a number for that... it doesn't seem to turn profitable, at least in the next three years.
Answered High priority

Does the slowdown explain muted lifestyle brand growth vs Pantaloons?

Asked by Nihal Mahesh Jham, Nuvama

Confirmed slowdown and explained conscious discounting strategy.

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In case of lifestyle brands specifically... Does the overall slowdown, in a way, explain the muted growth that the segment has seen? And if I compare versus Pantaloons, is it mainly the festive shift because of which there is a divergence?
Ashish Dikshit, Managing Director
Yes, there is a slowdown, and it is reflected in the amount of footfalls into malls, stores, etc. We also took a conscious call... to scale down on discounting.
Answered High priority

What is the like-to-like growth for lifestyle brands?

Asked by Nihal Mahesh Jham, Nuvama

Provided a clear range for like-to-like growth.

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And possible to share what is the like-to-like growth for the second? Not sure if I could find it in the PPT this time.
Ashish Dikshit, Managing Director
I mean, apples to apples, it would be flat to a small negative, Nihal.
Answered Medium priority

Any fundraise plans besides GIC?

Asked by Nihal Mahesh Jham, Nuvama

Clearly stated no other fundraise plans.

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The second question was on the fundraise part... are there any plans other than the GIC planned amount, which is due in March, in terms of fundraise?
Ashish Dikshit, Managing Director
Except GIC, right now, there is no intention of any equity... this is more a procedural thing. As far as fundraise is concerned, there is no immediate plan.
Answered Medium priority

Is the focus on profitability a sign of inventory confidence?

Asked by Tejas Shah, Spark Institutional Equities Private Limited

Confirmed inventory health as a reason for reduced discounting.

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On lifestyle brands... you chose profitability or discounts. So just wanted to understand, is this a sign of confidence on the quality or quantity of inventory we are carrying, or is it more of a competitive response?
Ashish Dikshit, Managing Director
We said this fairly early to say that, 'Look, let's stay tight on inventory...' Our pressure for discounting was lesser as well because of the health of inventory.
Declined Medium priority

Can you share Tasva operating metrics like sales per sq ft?

Asked by Tejas Shah, Spark Institutional Equities Private Limited

Explicitly declined to share metrics due to business being new.

deferred to futureno number given
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On Tasva... would you be willing to share any qualitative or quantitative comments on the operating metrics in terms of sales per square feet or inventory kind of that we have to carry? Any ROC or payback period?
Ashish Dikshit, Managing Director
The only reason I would hesitate sharing some of these numbers is primarily because, one, business is very new... it's too early... I would request Tejas to hold on for some more time.
Answered Medium priority

What is the share of jewelry in Sabyasachi and its trajectory?

Asked by Tejas Shah, Spark Institutional Equities Private Limited

Provided current share and directional trend.

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On Sabyasachi... what will be the share of jewelry here? And where do you see this number settling down in overall Sabyasachi as the franchise?
Ashish Dikshit, Managing Director
Currently, it's about 25%-30%... it looks like the share of jewelry will continue to increase, and jewelry will grow faster than the other parts of the business.
Evasive Medium priority

How did individual Madura brands perform and any differences?

Asked by Aditya Soman, CITIC CLSA

Declined to provide brand-level details, only gave broad similarity.

refused to disclosegave only vague flavor
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Can you just give us any sort of indication of how the brands within Madura have fared and any reason for the differences, if any?
Ashish Dikshit, Managing Director
We don't break down the brand-level details in public domain. So I will stay away from that. But I would give you a flavor that, broadly, the performance is very similar across the segments.
Partial answer High priority

Were there any one-offs in the margin improvement? Is it sustainable?

Asked by Kunal Bhatia, Dalal & Broacha Stock Broking Pvt. Ltd.

Confirmed sustainability qualitatively but did not quantify sustainable margin level.

no specific margin percentage givenqualitative only
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This time, were there any kind of one-offs which might not occur in the future? ...is this kind of a margin what percentage would be more on a sustainable basis if you could give some flavor on that, sir?
Ashish Dikshit, Managing Director
Some of those have come... Is it sustainable? Yes. But would we always play the same game? No... On Pantaloons... those are sustainable cost measures... not one-offs.
Quantitative claims vs filed numbers
ClaimManagement saidFilingVerdict
Pantaloons topline growth at 12% 12% 16% Understated vs filing
TMRW annualized revenue run rate of INR 600 crore ₹600 cr ₹4,167 cr Understated vs filing

Filed figures sourced from Screener.in. Claims within a small tolerance of the filing are marked “matches filing”.