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BAJAJFINSV Diversified 24 Jul 2024

Bajaj Finserv — Q1 FY25

Bajaj Finserv reported a mixed Q1 FY25.

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Revenue ₹31,480 Cr +35%
EBITDA
PAT ₹4,209 Cr +10%
EBITDA Margin 38%
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Read Time 1 min read

✓ Verified against BSE filing

Questions answered63%
Questions audited12
Evaded / deflected3
Numbers vs filingContradicted
Claim Ledger

Did management answer the analysts?

Every material analyst question, graded on whether management actually answered it — with the verbatim exchange and quantitative claims checked against filed numbers.

Answered High priority

Why did Bajaj allow motor CE to decline in Q1?

Asked by Supratim Datta

Management explained the regulatory pricing constraint and inflation impact on claims.

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what are you seeing in motor CE that, you know, you have preferred to allow this category to decline during 1Q? Is it cost, you know, higher commissions? Is it, the, you know, higher loss ratio?
Tapan Singhel, Director and CEO
If you look at TP, price is controlled... For motor third party, it is controlled by the government... there has been no price revision, but the inflation claim keeps on happening every year.
Answered Medium priority

Why is NEP higher than NWP this quarter?

Asked by Supratim Datta

Management explained the one-off reinsurance treaty causing the discrepancy.

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what I see is that the NEP this quarter has been higher than the NWP. Just wanted to understand what is driving that?
Ramandeep Sahni, CFO
during the quarter, we've actually done a new ceding on a treaty, which actually covers the book of the past... If I actually exclude this one-off impact, my NWP growth would have been close to 16.5%.
Partial answer High priority

Why are life insurance margins soft despite strong growth?

Asked by Supratim Datta

Management cited seasonality and industry mix shift but gave no quantified margin impact.

no specific margin breakdownattributed to industry trend
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this quarter the growth has been strong at, you know, 18%. You know, while there is a product mix shift, however, despite that, this, you know, the margin appears to be very soft.
S. Sreenivasan, CFO
Q1 is the softest quarter for life insurance business... the market on the whole, we have seen, is shifted towards lower-margin products because of consumer demand.
Evasive High priority

What scale is needed for Bajaj Health to turn profitable?

Asked by Supratim Datta

Management declined to provide a specific scale or timeline for profitability.

deferred to future planno target given
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what kind of scale, you know, do you think is required in this business to turn profitable? You know, do you have, you know, a certain target or, you know, is there a business plan?
S. Sreenivasan, CFO
we will eventually come out with within the next six to nine months complete long-term plan, which will give us the visibility on the break even.
Partial answer Medium priority

Have product-level margins changed in life insurance?

Asked by Nischint Chawathe, Kotak Institutional Equities

Management said product margins likely unchanged but did not provide numbers.

no specific product margin dataattributed to seasonality
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just curious how the margin stacks up, you know, given the fact that there was you know, very small compression in margins, you know, on a year-on-year basis. So is it something that margins at product levels have changed?
Tarun Chugh, Managing Director and CEO
margins are a function of a lot of things... quarter one is too early to react on any impact on margins... have our product margins changed very significantly? Probably not.
Evasive High priority

What is the trend in health loss ratios for retail vs group?

Asked by Nischint Chawathe, Kotak Institutional Equities

Management discussed factors but did not provide the requested breakdown or numbers.

no specific loss ratio numbersattributed to policy year mix
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On the health side, if you could break the loss ratios between retail and growth and, you know, the change in loss ratio this quarter.
S. Sreenivasan, CFO
if you look at the retail loss ratios, no, it is a combination of the year of policies... The loss ratio movement has not been very significant.
Answered Medium priority

Why are organic visits and transacting customers declining on Bajaj Markets?

Asked by Nischint Chawathe, Kotak Institutional Equities

Management explained the specific reasons for the decline in both metrics.

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we're looking at organic visits and transacting customers sort of going down. So, you know, how should one look at this and whether we need further investments on this?
Ashish Panchal, CEO
organic going down due to Google algorithm changes... transacting customer count decreased by 71,000, 90% due to mutual fund migration from direct to regular.
Partial answer High priority

What were the large liability claims in general insurance this quarter?

Asked by Dhaval, DSP

Management acknowledged large claims but did not quantify or name them.

no specific claim detailsclient names withheld
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could you talk a little bit around these few liability claims that came during the quarter?
Tapan Singhel, Director and CEO
there are basically two, three claims which are large in nature... all the three claims which I spoke about are co-insured... they seem to be one-offs.
Evasive High priority

What is the near-term margin outlook for life insurance?

Asked by Dhaval, DSP

Management refused to provide quantitative margin outlook.

no forward guidancedeclined to give numbers
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the rolling 12-month margin is about 14.3%... what should one expect over the next 2-3 years in terms of margin expansion?
Tarun Chugh, Managing Director and CEO
we can't talk about numbers... our expansion of margins shall continue, but maybe for the short term this year, we'll wait and watch.
Answered Medium priority

What is the biggest driver of operating leverage for Bajaj Health?

Asked by Dhaval, DSP

Management explained multiple drivers of operating leverage without giving specific numbers.

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could you give some perspective around what will be the biggest driver of operating leverage that Devang talked about earlier?
Devang (CEO, Bajaj Finserv Health)
all the pieces of payer stack should add to operating leverage... addition of non-life insurance and life insurance will be continuous... corporates will find much quicker revert.
Answered High priority

Why did motor OD loss ratio increase 600 bps YoY?

Asked by Sanket Goda, Avendus Spark

Management explained the seasonal pattern and gave a full-year expectation.

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last year we ended at 63.6. Today, it is at 69.4. It's a meaningful deterioration, around 600 basis points. So just wanted to understand any specific reason.
Ramandeep Sahni, CFO
if you see the trend for last three years, every year you'll see in quarter one, there is a spike, and by year end... it normalizes... we on as-is basis should settle at close to 65%.
Answered Medium priority

Are other insurers withdrawing from Vidal after Bajaj acquisition?

Asked by Madhukar Ladha, Nuvama Wealth Management

Management confirmed no material withdrawal and explained mitigation steps.

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are you seeing, you know, other insurance companies associated with Vidal, withdrawing from... Withdrawing business from there?
Devang (CEO, Bajaj Finserv Health)
we informed all the insurance companies... we explained it to them... Vidal is continuing the same premium under management.
Quantitative claims vs filed numbers
ClaimManagement saidFilingVerdict
NWP growth would have been 16.5% excluding one-off 16.5% 35% Understated vs filing
Bajaj Health standalone revenue INR 167.65 crore ₹167.65 cr ₹31,480 cr Understated vs filing

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