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COFORGE Information Technology 18 Oct 2023

Coforge Ltd — Q2 FY24

Coforge delivered a strong Q2 FY24 with revenue growth of 16.2% YoY in CC terms and an adjusted EBITDA margin of 17.6%, expanding 160 bps sequentially.

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Revenue ₹2,276 Cr +16.2%
EBITDA
PAT ₹188 Cr
EBITDA Margin 17.6% +160bps
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✓ Verified against BSE filing

Questions answered92%
Questions audited12
Evaded / deflected0
Numbers vs filingMixed
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Did management answer the analysts?

Every material analyst question, graded on whether management actually answered it — with the verbatim exchange and quantitative claims checked against filed numbers.

Answered High priority

How does Coforge reconcile healthy deal wins with industry slowdown?

Asked by Abhishek Pathak, HSBC

Management directly addressed the question, stating they do not relate to the slowdown commentary and provided specific areas of demand.

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So, Sudhir, my question was around deal activity. Most large players have reported healthy multi-billion-dollar deal wins, but as we've been around cost takeout, saying that the appetite for smaller deals and the deal velocity has become quite slow. Now, despite that, Coforge and even some players of similar size have continued to report healthy deal wins. So how do we reconcile this?
Sudhir Singh, CEO and Executive Director
I can say state of the brand that we do not relate to what you talked about as commentary that you've received from some of the larger players. We continue to see a deal velocity that continues to be very robust. We continue to see median deal size climb up...
Answered High priority

Any change in outlook or green shoots emerging?

Asked by Sandeep Shah, Equirus Securities

Management identified specific green shoots in BFS, insurance, and travel, while acknowledging macro challenges.

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So the first question, any recent conversation with the client gives you any change in view on outlook? ... some of your other peers globally, like, Globant has been booking a recovery in the second half of the current year. Are you expecting any green shoots getting emerged?
Sudhir Singh, CEO and Executive Director
Sandeep, in BFS, we see green shoots, but we're trying to balance them against the geopolitical uncertainty that prevails. Insurance within the P&C space, we do see productization... Within the travel space, we're looking at productization, customer experience, and security as potential areas where we see emerging green shoots.
Answered High priority

How will deal wins convert to revenue in second half?

Asked by Sandeep Shah, Equirus Securities

Management provided specific growth numbers and explained that deal wins have already converted to revenue.

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And last quarter, you said to achieve the midpoint of the growth guidance, you have to grow at 2.5% from this Q1 view from Q2 to Q4. This quarter is tagged lower despite the great deal wins in the first quarter. So do you expect the customer growth in second half?
Sudhir Singh, CEO and Executive Director
See, unlike a lot of our peers, our deal wins have converted into revenues. So we're not one, I think it would be very unfair to start characterizing our performance, where we've grown 16.2% of the first at the end of the first half...
Partial answer High priority

What levers will drive margin improvement in H2?

Asked by Sandeep Shah, Equirus Securities

Management mentioned growth and hedge gains but did not detail specific cost levers until later in the call.

no specific levers named initiallydeferred to CFO for ESOP
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And last question, in terms of margins, to achieve the adjusted EBITDA margin being at flat, the ask rate is still at 1.5, 1.3, with Q on Q improvement in the next two quarters. So what levers which will help us to pull out, such a big margin improvement over the quarter in this year?
Sudhir Singh, CEO and Executive Director
So, let Ajay take the second question. As far as the first question is concerned, Sandeep, we're not planning to do anything this year, which is very different from what we've done in the last years. Second half, there is a significant growth. Q3 to Q2 sequentially, we will see a very significant growth.
Answered Medium priority

How should we think about offshore revenue mix going forward?

Asked by Manik Taneja, Axis Capital

Management provided a clear directional view on offshore mix trajectory.

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I had a question with regards to our offshore revenue mix. We've seen a significant increase post-COVID, and we've got this type of growth here. How should we be thinking about this metric going forward?
Sudhir Singh, CEO and Executive Director
Going forward, we expect the climb to be far more gradual, but we still believe, given what's happened over the last 4 quarters, the number will continue to climb, but it will climb a little far more slowly than it has over the last 8-12 quarters.
Answered Medium priority

Outlook on travel and transportation sector?

Asked by Manik Taneja, Axis Capital

Management identified specific spending pockets and gave a growth outlook in line with company growth.

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The second question was with regards to the outlook on the travel and transportation sector. You've had some commentary from global companies in terms of some cost pressures or demand coming off. How do you see this target business outlook for us from a 12-month standpoint?
Sudhir Singh, CEO and Executive Director
Travel transport, we are seeing pockets of spend coming up. They are centered around security. Spend is centered around digitization, they're centered around prioritization, and they're also centered around spend being directed towards customer experience-based projects.
Answered High priority

Why did BFS grow strongly when others struggled?

Asked by Ravi Menon, Macquarie

Management explained growth drivers and added color from John Speight on specific areas like payments and compliance.

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So you've shown pretty strong growth across all verticals. Can you explain BFS, where most people have struggled, but you actually shown pretty good growth?
Sudhir Singh, CEO and Executive Director
That's right, Ravi, as we said, there are green shoots, even though the macros are stressed. Digital transformation spend has not necessarily gone away to play around product innovation, to play around legacy modernization.
Answered High priority

Details on three large deals won this quarter?

Asked by Shraddha Agrawal, Asian Markets Securities

Management provided sector, new logo status, and revenue contribution for each deal.

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Can you highlight more on the 3 large deals that we've done? As in, what is the proportion of net new or deal contribution, and any highlight on which sectors have you won this deal in?
Saurabh Goel, Deputy CFO and EVP
So three large deals came in. One was from the BFS space, which was a new account, and this was an account which we were kind of going after the last six months. So it's within the BFS, in, in the BFS space, so within banking. So that is one. It's a new, new logo, 100% new revenue.
Answered High priority

How will hedge loss reversal drive 200 bps margin expansion?

Asked by Shraddha Agrawal, Asian Markets Securities

Management quantified the hedge gain impact and explained the mechanics.

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And the second question is to you, Saurabh. I mean, when you said that you just fixed the hedge loss, which have become margin, we would see the expansion of 200 bps. But when I look at the hedge loss number in absolute term, it seems to be flat quarter- on- Q business. So how does the margin expansion of 200 bps come through then?
Saurabh Goel, Deputy CFO and EVP
So hedge losses in the current quarter were flat as compared to the previous quarter. Next quarter, going forward, these hedge losses will convert to hedge gains. So we will, assuming the currency remain at the current levels, we at least assume there'll be a 50 basis points flip on the margins, just because of hedge losses being converted to hedge gains.
Partial answer Medium priority

Progress on ARC reduction and offshore mix target?

Asked by Rishi Jhunjhunwala, IIFL Institutional Equities

Management admitted ARC progress was behind plan but did not quantify the expected improvement or give a timeline for 55% offshore.

no specific timeline for offshore mixno quantified ARC target
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So just wanted to understand, on both these metrics, how much... Of course, you know, offshore mix, we can see. But on ARC, how much, we have progressed in-... by when do we expect how much, you know, expansion coming from that? Then on the offshore side, any timelines in terms of, by when do you expect to reach that 55% plus?
Sudhir Singh, CEO and Executive Director
As far as ARC is concerned, we are not happy with the progress that we made on the ARC. Second half is when we expect to be very aggressive around ARC drops. ... So long story short, we are not happy with the cost curve that has happened so far.
Answered High priority

What levers drive 100 bps margin expansion in Q3 despite furloughs?

Asked by Saurabh Sanswani, Samsara Capital

Management listed hedge gains, ARC initiatives, and the absence of a client event cost as specific levers.

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So despite the furloughs, in Q3, you expect a margin expansion of 100 basis points. So I understand partially it's just the hedge gains expected, but what are the other levers?
Sudhir Singh, CEO and Executive Director
One, driven, as you rightly said, because of the hedge gains, the reversal on the hedge, fund that we talked about. Second, driven by what we just talked about, the ARC initiative that Ajay and I were talking about. We expect that going forward to be also a significant lever.
Answered High priority

Who are we winning against in BFS new logos?

Asked by Abhishek Kumar, JM Financial

Management clearly stated they win against tier-one players, not mid-tiers.

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From what I hear, what we hear from most of the players is that most of the deals out in the market are kind of vendor consolidation cost takeout deals. At the same time, we continue to win new logos in BFS space. So I just want to understand, who are we winning against?
Sudhir Singh, CEO and Executive Director
If I look at 19 out of our top 20 clients, our biggest competitor there is a scale IT player. Could be anyone from Accenture to Deloitte to the TCS of the world. These wins are coming against those players.
Quantitative claims vs filed numbers
ClaimManagement saidFilingVerdict
Revenue growth 16.2% in first half YoY in CC 16.2% 16.2% Matches filing
Sequential revenue growth 2.3% in Q2 2.3% 16.2% Understated vs filing

Filed figures sourced from Screener.in. Claims within a small tolerance of the filing are marked “matches filing”.