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COFORGE Information Technology 17 Jul 2024

Coforge Ltd — Q1 FY25

Coforge delivered a solid Q1 FY25 with 3.7% sequential CC growth excluding India, driven by broad-based demand across verticals.

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Revenue ₹2,357 Cr
EBITDA
PAT ₹139 Cr
EBITDA Margin 17% +210bps
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✓ Verified against BSE filing

Questions answered100%
Questions audited12
Evaded / deflected0
Numbers vs filingContradicted
Claim Ledger

Did management answer the analysts?

Every material analyst question, graded on whether management actually answered it — with the verbatim exchange and quantitative claims checked against filed numbers.

Answered High priority

Was there a wage revision this quarter? If not, what would profitability have been?

Asked by Kawaljeet Saluja, Kotak Securities

Management provided a specific BPS range for the hypothetical margin impact.

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Was there a wage revision in the current quarter? If not, then what would the profitability performance have been on a YOY comparison if the wage effect was effective from first of April?
Sudhir Singh, CEO and Executive Director
Wage increase in our case has happened effective the first of July. If it had happened effective first of April, we believe margins would have been depressed by 130-150 BPS. Broad assumption would be 140 BPS.
Answered High priority

Why weakness in financial services vertical despite market buoyancy?

Asked by Kawaljeet Saluja, Kotak Securities

Management explained the decline as a temporary normalization after strong growth.

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I was surprised to see a weakness in the financial services vertical, and that's a segment of the market which has shown some level of buoyancy. What would you attribute that to?
Sudhir Singh, CEO and Executive Director
BFS, we believe it's a temporary blip, and that's a normalization that's happened, because last quarter, our BFS business had grown sequentially 6.4%. It is still YOY 10.4% higher.
Answered Medium priority

Is India government business seasonality a factor in growth ex-India?

Asked by Kawaljeet Saluja, Kotak Securities

Management addressed seasonality and provided specific revenue percentages.

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The final question that you've spoken a lot about growth excluding the India government business. Isn't that an annual seasonal factor wherein the fourth quarter the government business picks up and there's a decline in 1Q?
Sudhir Singh, CEO and Executive Director
India has always been at only about 4% of our revenues globally. The last two quarters were an aberration, where it went all the way up to 5.3%. This quarter, it's come down to 3.8%. We don't see the seasonality in India on an ongoing basis.
Answered High priority

Has growth outlook changed materially in last three months?

Asked by Kawaljeet Saluja, Kotak Securities

Management provided specific reasons for improved confidence.

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When you think about where you were three months back versus where you're sitting today, do you see a marked difference in your growth outlook? If yes, can you just walk us through what has changed?
Sudhir Singh, CEO and Executive Director
We see the demand outlook across financial services as having materially improved. We see the outlook for the aviation, travel aviation sector as continuing to be extremely strong. We are seeing a rebound on our insurance business.
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Was headcount addition skewed towards later part of quarter? Why on-site hiring increased?

Asked by Manik Taneja, Axis Capital

Management provided breakdown and timing of headcount additions.

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While the headcount addition is very impressive, the increase in manpower cost is much lower. Was this headcount addition skewed towards the later part of the quarter? And if you could also talk about the significant step up in on-site hiring?
Sudhir Singh, CEO and Executive Director
Headcount addition 1,886. 250 of those are graduate engineer trainees. Forty-five percent were BPO resources. Most of the headcount addition was towards the second half of the quarter.
Answered High priority

What drove decision to defer wage hikes by a quarter?

Asked by Manik Taneja, Axis Capital

Management explained rationale for deferring wage hikes.

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If you could help us understand what drove our decision to essentially defer wage hikes by a quarter, and how are we thinking about managing average resource cost?
Sudhir Singh, CEO and Executive Director
Last year we were possibly the only firm that did a wage hike on the first of April. This year, the call was in line with what we've seen across the industry, and in line with the fact that our ARC over the last two and a half years has gone up almost 40%.
Answered High priority

Why weakness in top customers' revenue growth this quarter?

Asked by Manik Taneja, Axis Capital

Management differentiated between top five and top six to ten, attributing weakness to banking normalization.

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If you could talk about the weakness that we've seen in terms of revenue growth within our top customers this quarter, because it appears that the growth is supported outside of top ten customers this quarter.
Sudhir Singh, CEO and Executive Director
The weakness was only in the top five. Top six to 10 have actually done very well. Our top five have a preponderant number of banking clients. Banking has seen a normalization after about 12 or 13 quarters of extremely significant growth.
Answered High priority

Outlook on top clients in travel, banking, insurance? Have they bottomed out?

Asked by Vibhor Singhal, Nuvama Equities

Management gave a clear timeline for recovery.

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What is the outlook on the top clients in those specific verticals for this year? Do we expect them to have bottomed out and pick up the growth momentum?
Sudhir Singh, CEO and Executive Director
We expect the momentum to be back starting quarter two itself. It might pick up further in the subsequent quarters, but quarter two should see this metric getting corrected.
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How is travel segment looking? Deal closures?

Asked by Vibhor Singhal, Nuvama Equities

Management provided detailed subsegment outlook and client wins.

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How is the travel segment looking like? Has that spend revived? Are we looking at some deal closures in near future? How do you see this vertical panning overall?
Sudhir Singh, CEO and Executive Director
I see travel doing better than last year for us. We look at travel as a composite of three different subsegments. For airlines, we are clearly seeing a technology overhaul. We now work with five out of the top 10 airlines in the world.
Answered High priority

What were exceptional items for Cigniti? Core margins going ahead?

Asked by Vibhor Singhal, Nuvama Equities

Management provided specific exceptional items and margin guidance.

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Could you just help us elaborate, what were the exceptional items, for Cigniti, in this quarter? What is the core margins for the business that we are looking, going ahead on a quarterly basis?
Saurabh Goel, CFO
Three line items: government incentive around SEIS INR 3,433 million, TDS on ESOP expenses INR 55 million, long service bonus INR 35 million. Adjusted EBITDA margin for the quarter was 12.6%. We are looking at 16%+ EBITDA margin going forward.
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What factors led to QoQ margin decline?

Asked by Dipesh Mehta, Emkay Global

Management explained margin decline with specific factors and numbers.

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Can you help us understand margin decline quarter on quarter? What factors led to margin decline? Because BPO was not there, and rest of the metrics seems to be fairly stable.
Saurabh Goel, CFO
We book visa cost in Q1 every year. Typically 350 bps dip between Q4 and Q1: 200-250 bps wage hikes, 100 bps visa cost and renewals. This quarter we had visa cost and increase in on-site headcount. We are at 17.9% adjusted EBITDA.
Answered High priority

What is working in insurance and what hasn't played out yet?

Asked by Dipesh Mehta, Emkay Global

Management provided specific YOY growth and expectations for Q2.

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I think you indicated about recovery in insurance. If you can give some comment around. Even deal intake-wise, we have seen some momentum. If you can give what is working in insurance and what is yet not played out.
Sudhir Singh, CEO and Executive Director
We had talked about a very significant deal in the last quarter. The ramp-up of that deal has proceeded. Insurance YOY growth for the firm is 2.5%. We believe if current projections hold at the end of Q2, that number should be up materially.
Quantitative claims vs filed numbers
ClaimManagement saidFilingVerdict
Margins would be depressed by 130-150 BPS if wage hike effective April 1 140 bps 210 bps Understated vs filing
Adjusted EBITDA margin for the quarter was 17.9% 17.9% 17% Overstated vs filing
Cigniti adjusted EBITDA margin 12.6% 12.6% 17% Understated vs filing

Filed figures sourced from Screener.in. Claims within a small tolerance of the filing are marked “matches filing”.